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Star Trek: Unity One, Freelancer, TDWC, Salahadin & Tigershark - Die Nebencharaktere
Fleetadmiral J.J. Belar:
So lahm ist der doch nicht. Warp 8 ist doch ganz ok. Außerdem wurden die Constis sicher auch noch ein paar mal umgerüstet.
Max:
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So lahm ist der doch nicht. Warp 8 ist doch ganz ok. Außerdem wurden die Constis sicher auch noch ein paar mal umgerüstet.
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Aber dieses Warp 8 ist doch noch ein Wert der alten Skala! Oder gibt es einen anderen Beleg als die Filme, einen Beleg, der für die Consitution-Klasse TNG-Maßstäbe anlegt?
Umrüstungen sind natürlich immer möglich, aber ich weiß nicht, wie stark man ein Schiff aufwerten kann, ohne die Hardware der Gondeln entscheidend zu verändern.
Fleetadmiral J.J. Belar:
Also ich habe im Canon nie gehört, dass man zwei Skalen verwendet. Für mich ist Warp 8 gleich Warp 8. Die Theorie mit den beiden Skalen finde ich an den Haaren herbeigezogen.
Will Pears:
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Also ich habe im Canon nie gehört, dass man zwei Skalen verwendet. Für mich ist Warp 8 gleich Warp 8. Die Theorie mit den beiden Skalen finde ich an den Haaren herbeigezogen.
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Star Trek: The Original Series
During TOS, the warp factor scale wasn\'t clearly defined. In his initial draft proposal, Star Trek is..., Gene Roddenberry established the maximum velocity of the starship as \".73 of one light year per hour\". This would translate to a top speed of approximately 6,400 c (equivalent to TOS warp 18.56, and approximately warp 9.98 on the TNG scale).
The warp scale now commonly known as \"TOS scale\" first appeared in widespread print in 1968 in The Making of Star Trek (pg. 191). The book also states a shift in relative time occurs while traveling at warp, an hour might equal to three hours experienced outside the ship. (pg. 198) In 1975, the warp scale given a more technical gloss in Franz Joseph\'s Star Fleet Technical Manual, now extended to include warp factors below 1. In 1977 Roddenberry again adopted the scale for the abortive Star Trek: Phase II series, but abandoned it for The Next Generation series.
According to these publications, the scale used by Starfleet in the 23rd century is based on a geometric progression, where the speed of a vessel (measured in multiples of c, the speed of light) is equal to the cube of the given warp factor. The warp factor was calculated as follows:
math
with
* v being the speed of the signal or starship
* c being the speed of light (3.0 × 108 m/s) and
* wf being the resulting warp factor
Or, to calculate speed (v) in terms of c the formula would be:
math
At warp 1, a starship would reach c; at warp 6, it would reach 216 c. This is a much slower speed as initially proposed by Roddenberry.
[edit] Star Trek: The Next Generation
According to the Star Trek: The Next Generation Technical Manual, the warp factor scale used by Starfleet in the 24th century was based on a recalibration of the scale used in the 23rd century. Rather than a simple geometric progression based on relative speed, the scale was based upon the amount of power required to transition from one warp plateau to another. For example, the power to initially get to the recalibrated warp factor one was much more than the power required to maintain it; likewise warp two, three, four, and so on. Those transitional power points rather than observed speed were then assigned the integer warp factors.
According to a Star Trek: The Magazine article by André Bormanis, this scale change occurred in 2312. A term was added to the above equation that caused the speed to rise slightly at lower warp factor, but to become infinite at warp 10. The ratio v/c at a given warp factor is equal to the corresponding cochrane value that describes the subspace distortion.
The 24th century scale was created at the start of Star Trek: The Next Generation. Gene Roddenberry stated that he wanted to avoid the ever-increasing warp factors used in the original series to force added tension to the story, and so imposed the limit of warp 10 as infinite speed.
For warp factors up to 9, the revised formula became:
math
with
* v being the speed of the signal or starship
* c being the speed of light (3.0 × 108 m/s) and
* wf being the resulting warp factor
Or, to calculate speed in terms of c (up to warp 9), the formula would be:
math
In this case, warp 1 is equivalent to c (as it was in the 23rd century scale); warp 6 is approximately 392 c.
Above warp 9 the exponent was increased above \"10/3\" exponentially, approaching infinity as the warp factor approaches 10.
This scale was used from TNG onwards.
[edit] Star Trek: Enterprise
Although it has not been directly confirmed, the Enterprise NX-01 may use the \"TOS scale\". Speeds mentioned in ENT: \"Broken Bow\" of traveling at 30,000,000 kilometers per second, and going to \"Neptune and back in six minutes.\" fit well into the ballpark of warp factors between 4 and 5. A journey from Earth to Qo\'noS in four days is however not compatible with the scale.
In ENT: \"Regeneration\", Trip states that warp 4.8 (approximately 111 times the speed of light in the TOS scale) is double the speed of warp 3.9 (approximately 59 times the speed of light), which is a close enough margin of error, considering it was an offhand comment made without navigational implications.
However, in ENT: \"Fortunate Son\", it is stated that warp 1.8 is \"ten times slower than warp 3\". This doesn\'t work out in either of the formulas above - warp 1.8 would be only 5.4 or 5.5 times slower.
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Warp
Nur so am Rande...
Fleetadmiral J.J. Belar:
Interessante Erläuterung.
Dennoch ist es strenggenommen kein Canon.
Ich denke, ich bleibe dabei dass Warp 8 = Warp 8 ist.
Wir sollten auch langsam wieder zum eigentlichen Thema zurückkehren.
Gruß
J.J.
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